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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 25, 2011 5:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A few more newbie questions

Here's the link. For ever more bookmarks! Just someone's Photobucket page, I guess ... hope he doesn't mind it being bookmarked. Unfortunately I didn't see this show (Rambler Room), which I guess was spur-of-the-moment (wouldn't THAT have been great!), but in a few hours, they'd be playing for me. As you can see, that very thought put them in a good mood :-)

Geez they look young. And relaxed. And so very very '70s.

http://s274.photobucket.com/albums/jj266/icepetal/Dead/Dead%201978-11-17/?start=all

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 25, 2011 6:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A few more newbie questions

Oh, those are so cool! thanks! I guess it just shows I am getting old (getting??!! been there awhile, actually), but I think those are groovy.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 25, 2011 6:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A few more newbie questions

Excellent! You just proved my son wrong! I am NOT the only person who still says "groovy." (After all, part of my job description is "give teenager ample reasons to roll eyes," and I do my best to provide. "Groovy" will always do it.)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 25, 2011 7:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A few more newbie questions

I have to admit, I can't say it without worrying about it. IE, I'd only say it for "effect", and I don't need any more assistance with elevation of "geek factor" with my kids (all 20 +, so really, they are past it all...thinking there's any hope). "Far out", "Outta sight", and "Groovy" never felt absolutely genuine, or it was my OCD, but "cool" was/is a word that drew no unwanted looks/eye movements.

However, of my two older brothers, one that passed, one that hasn't, the one that passed always used those words, and it seemed right, while the other NEVER would; I was always puzzled by how "context" dependent--the person--it all was.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 25, 2011 7:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A few more newbie questions

"Groovy" has come full circle. Originally, we really meant it, we used it un-self-consciously. Decades later we used it ironically, or for effect. Now I think I actually use it literally again.

Althea, your teen is younger than mine I think. My son's friends say "groovy" without irony. They are only vaguely aware the usage refers to an earlier era.

"Cool," I agree, somehow remains neutral, and doesn't raise eyebrows with the young people, as long as one says it sort of casually, without huge enthusiasm. It is a sort of all-purpose, neutral stamp of approval. If for instance my son says he will be home by 2 a.m., I say "Cool" as calmly as I can and try not to make eye contact ... if anyone knows where my son has been all summer, let me know ...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 25, 2011 8:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A few more newbie questions

The single most troubling issue about raising kids for "us" (vs "our" parents) is that we are so much more involved, aware, etc. Truly, my folks NEVER had any idea, and of course, it worked quite well (no one poked an eye with that "thing", nor this nor that, etc., etc.). But, I (we) seemed much better at negotiating through it all, independently solving any crisis that erupted, with the guiding principle being "don't let them find out" (anyone's parents).

I don't (didn't) see that so much with my kids...they weren't as self sufficient, and though that sounds like a "knock", it was entirely derived by us being "a part of their lives" if that makes sense...By "being there" so much, I realized they were exposed to it all, but not alone, and of course, you learn faster when you do it all (anything from changing a tire, to building a bike, to helping a friend through a drug crisis...I can recall one of my kids calling me to walk through the vital signs to decide whether to take a friend to the hospital).

Imagine going to a concert with your parents; and yet for my kids, that was exactly how they were introduced to it (as teenagers; babies don't count, nor should they be there).

Don't get me wrong, I view the detachment/disengagement of my parent's generation as bordering on criminal, but of course, we survived, and certainly matured at a younger age. I largely think that's the difference--maturity came faster in the 60s and early 70s, with parents that largely were unaware of/uninterested in all the New Age aspects of family that we all so appreciate...other than the whacko parents of that time that attempted to isolate/inculcate "family values" in the worst possible way.

Dr. Spock II stepping down now...

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Poster: high flow Date: Aug 25, 2011 8:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A few more newbie questions

I agree Mr. Tell. In our neighborhood the motto was "have bike will travel". And so we did.....all over the East Bay. Entire days would pass and nobody sent out a search party or released the hounds....as long as we were home(or called home) at dinner.

"Hey Andy, what did you do today?"
"Not much, just hung around."
Translation: We rode bikes in the aqua-ducts under Castro Valley and hopped a BART train to Bayfair Mall and then hitch-hiked up to Cal-State Hayward where we rode bikes through the various halls of education before we jumped the fence and swam in their pool.

Nothing to see here grown-ups.....move along.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 25, 2011 10:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A few more newbie questions

Ha--we really did share a lot in common, Flow...we too rode bikes all over, from WC to Livermore to Martinez to Briones; a number of 50 mi rides in half days. And, sneaking into to HS swimming pools was a great "initiation", though I recall shivering my you know whats off while thinking "WTF? is this really 'fun'?" (it seemed so when it was hot, but you know how it cooled off at night, and...well, that's the Bay Area for ya...the pool at 2 am was far less inviting, esp sans any girls in the bike riding clan).

Speaking of bikes, did you ever play "bike football"? We always thought we "invented it" in 72; 2 on 2, lg, unused parking lot, late afternoon in summer, bike had to be moving at all times after snap, and football could be gripped in mouth if necessary...one hand tag...how did we NOT kill ourselves I sometimes wonder?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 25, 2011 10:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A few more newbie questions

Right ... or I say, "Where are you going" and I get "I'll be at Joe's" .... which I realize translates, "We are starting our evening at Joe's house, and later we will be pretty much anywhere we please in the city of Philadelphia and neihboring counties; I will let you know if I get arrested somewhere west of the Mississippi, otherwise don't wait up."

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 25, 2011 8:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A few more newbie questions

It certainly is interesting ... I have to work but I'll be back later. I am in a crisis at the present of finding it very difficult and exhausting having a pretty damn good idea just what he is up to and trying to stay "cool" about it all. There's a lot of lying awake listening for the car in the driveway. yeah, I agree our parents had it easier, never having the faintest clue about much of anything.

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Poster: jgIynn1.2 Date: Aug 25, 2011 10:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A few more newbie questions

The one of Phil is hysterical

Thanks

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 25, 2011 7:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A few more newbie questions

Yeah, isn't that great?

And there's also ... this one! Phil Fashion Sense at its most unique! I'd post the pic but it ends up so so huge that Phil's hat eats the page.

[IMG]http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj266/icepetal/Dead/Dead%201972-10-21/1972-10-21Phil1a.jpg[/IMG]

Here's more from that show, 10/21/72, on the same site. He makes the show photos available for email links and downloads, I guess:
http://s274.photobucket.com/albums/jj266/icepetal/Dead/Dead%201972-10-21/



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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Aug 25, 2011 7:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A few more newbie questions

cool pictures and I knew nothing of this acoustic show. I cant imagine seeing the dead in a venue like that. Really cool

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 25, 2011 7:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A few more newbie questions

I know. And those college Hunger Week signs? Oh geez. My thoughts, of course, go along the lines of ... Blast them! They picked the wrong college! I did Hunger Week type stuff too! I'd have made really good signs! And met the Dead! And gotten them to sign my really good Hunger Week signs, which I would now have hung up at my house! Sheesh.

But really, even the venue that night (and the night before) was just wonderful. And not at all huge feeling. So, hey, can't complain. (Yes I can. Hey, what was wrong with MY magic markers?)